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Nathan Natas
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Who in the hell ate Abraham,s food, Angels or God?
by jam inok folks,.
gen.18;1-8 the lord appeared to him by the oak tree.. gen.18:5 he fetch a morsel of bread for his guest.. gen.18;6 sarah makes meal, knead it and made cakes.. gen.18:7 abraham ran to the herd and took a calf, tender.
and good.. gen.18:8 he set it before them and he stood by them under.
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Femine supplies advice help needed
by jws ini'm divorced and i have a daughter who is nearly 11. last year she watched a video in school covering upcoming body changes (which she already knew about).
but one suggestion they gave that i didn't think of was to go get femine supplies and be prepared for when the time comes.
i like being prepared ahead of time for emergencies.
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Nathan Natas
You are smart to be proactive about this so there will be no panic when the time comes. You have received some good advice already: I am clueless on this subject, but do remember that you can talk man-to-man with your pharmacist, assuming he's a he.
Your ex-wife is a dumbass, in my opinion.
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SAD news about OOMPA......
by redredrose inour friend, oompa, has passed away.
just recieved the news a couple of hours ago, and have almost no details.
it happened today or yesterday, he took his own life.
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Nathan Natas
The fellow on the left side of the picture looks kinda like me; poor bloke! My sympathies, Sir!
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What Can We Do to Show How We Cared about Oompa?
by Band on the Run ini know others have posted on the original thread.
several people, including myself, would like to do something concrete to show our concerns re: his treatment by the jw, and how important he was to all of us here.
i suggested a handwritten note, on behalf of the whole community here, flowers, and perhaps a donation to a charity that helps people get back on their feet.
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Nathan Natas
By working backwards through the 'net, I found the name of Eric's business:
Perfection Plus
1208 East Mountain St.
Kernersville, NC
27284
Quite likey Travis and Ty Reeder could get cards sent to them at their Dad's business address.
I like the idea Giorano offered of paying to place and article in whatever paper serves Kernersville, NC so that the general population of that area will know to what degree the Watchtower was involved in destroying a good man. Let the elders of the congregation that disfellowshipped him reap the harvest of the heartache they have sown. I cannot write the article, but I will consider it a priviledge to help carry the cost of getting it published.
Let's pursue this idea, PLEASE.
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The Disfellowshipping Arrangement, New Book, Hope It Helps
by graysome67 inhello, i renounced my belief/faith in the watchtower society a few years ago, though i am still a bible believer.
since departing from them, i have studied the bible aptly to try to understand it's true teachings.
i decided to start publishing essays in the hope that my research may help enlighten other disillusioned jw's by seeing alternative viewpoints, or at least pointing them in a direction that would help unlock their minds when studying the bible.
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Nathan Natas
SULLA observed, " The guy is not wounded; he is a bastard. No need to shoot him."
Clearly, he is future elder material.
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The Disfellowshipping Arrangement, New Book, Hope It Helps
by graysome67 inhello, i renounced my belief/faith in the watchtower society a few years ago, though i am still a bible believer.
since departing from them, i have studied the bible aptly to try to understand it's true teachings.
i decided to start publishing essays in the hope that my research may help enlighten other disillusioned jw's by seeing alternative viewpoints, or at least pointing them in a direction that would help unlock their minds when studying the bible.
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Nathan Natas
I want to commend you for finding a way to publish your ideas without charging an-arm-and-a-leg for the book.
The situation you describe from your former congregation is an example of how Watchtower policies result in a miscarriage of justice (no pun intended). The rapist should have been taken into a back alley by a few true elders and righteously crippled for what he did; instead he go off on the "technicality" that he was an unbaptized publisher while the child he raped paid in full for being seduced. I think I might also have questioned the girl's parents who obviously did an inadequate job teaching her. Instead, they get to self-fighteously shun the child they failed to train.
I am no longer a bible beviever like you, but before I left the JWs I was an MS. (The conversion to non-believer did not happen instantaneously while I was on the road away from Tarsus, but over many years of personal questing and introspection.) If I recall correctly, the congregational reproval is supposed to be PUBLIC, in front of the entire congregation. Only in the Old-Testament legalisms of Rutherford's brain could the star chamber be turned into a mark of "the only true religion."
I wish you well.
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SAD news about OOMPA......
by redredrose inour friend, oompa, has passed away.
just recieved the news a couple of hours ago, and have almost no details.
it happened today or yesterday, he took his own life.
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Nathan Natas
For the benefit of those who might read this in the future this is the newspaper notice that Eric Reeder's family had printed (the link will eventually evaporate)
"ERIC REEDER
Obituary GREENSBORO — Eric Reeder, 51, died Thursday, September 27, 2012.
Cremation services entrusted to Triad Cremation Society, Inc.
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"Safeguard Your Mind" assembly targeting apostate thinking
by promised_presence ini recently attended the second day of the 2 day assembly for safeguarding your mind.
the first talk was entitled "feed your mind at jehovah's table".
the first portion of this talk specifically targeted apostates warning members to not listen to them "even if they were once strong in the truth or had great responsiblity in the congregation".
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Nathan Natas
Ah! At last, as the sacred month of October approaches, The Watchtower has come out with a HALLOWEEN THEME for the meetings!
Let us recall with fondness Pastor Russell's Toga Costume when he gave up his ghost on Halloween 1916 - it was HEAVENLY!
"Safeguard Your Mind - Zombies Crave Fresh Brainz"! The opening song will be Brother Michael Jackson singing THRILLER.
" It's close to midnight and something evil's lurking in the dark
Under the moonlight, you see a sight that almost stops your heart
You try to scream but terror takes the sound before you make it
You start to freeze as horror looks you right between the eyes
You're paralyzed
'Cause this is thriller, thriller night
And no one's gonna save you from the 'postate 'bout strike
You know it's thriller, thriller night
You're fighting for your life inside a killer, thriller tonight
You hear the door slam and realize there's nowhere left to run
You feel the cold hand and wonder if you'll ever see the sun
You close your eyes and hope that this is just imagination, girl!
But all the while you hear the creature creeping up behind
You're out of time
'Cause this is thriller, thriller night
There ain't no second chance against the thing with forty eyes, girl
Thriller, thriller night
You're fighting for your life inside a killer, thriller tonight
Night creatures calling, the dead start to walk in their masquerade
There's no escaping the jaws of the alien this time
(They're open wide)
This is the end of your life
They're out to get you, there's demons closing in on every side
[- From: http://www.elyrics.net/read/m/michael-jackson-lyrics/thriller-lyrics.html -]
They will possess you unless you change that number on your dial
Now is the time for you and I to cuddle close together, yeah
All through the night I'll save you from the terror on the screen
I'll make you see
That this is thriller, thriller night
'Cause I can thrill you more than any ghost would ever dare try
Thriller, thriller night
So let me hold you tight and share a
Killer, diller, chiller, thriller here tonight
'Cause this is thriller, thriller night
Girl, I can thrill you more than any ghost would ever dare try
Thriller, thriller night
So let me hold you tight and share a killer, thriller, ow!
(I'm gonna thrill ya tonight)
Darkness falls across the land
The midnight hour is close at hand
Creatures crawl in search of blood
To terrorize y'alls neighborhood
I'm gonna thrill ya tonight, ooh baby
I'm gonna thrill ya tonight, oh darlin'
Thriller night, baby, ooh!
The foulest stench is in the air
The funk of forty thousand years
And grizzly ghouls from every tomb
Are closing in to seal your doom
And though you fight to stay alive
Your body starts to shiver
For no mere mortal can resist
The evil of the thriller" -
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How do we get to 1914 and then 1919?
by God_Delusion inokay, this might sound like a really stupid question, but after researching this matter for the last hour, i still have no idea why the watchtower society points to 1914 and 1919 using the 70 weeks theory.. don't get me wrong, i know all about 607 b.c.e., but i am having trouble understanding why the prophecy of the 70 weeks has been added.
whose idea was it to add the 70 week business into the mix?.
i've researched the following websites and jwn threads so far, yet i'm still hitting blanks:.
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Nathan Natas
This is an EXCELLENT discussion, folks! It reminds me of what this board was like a decade ago! I'm really am loving it!
A reminder to the players - yes, of course almost all of us now recognize the "Bible-based chronology" as pure bullshit, but what we want to do here is extract the Watchtower "reasoning from the scriptures" so that we can then shine a bright light on that pretzel logic with all it's "and then something magical happened" leaps of faith... a fine example of this is the Watchtower's claim that the distance (expressed in furlongs) between the Pittsburg Bible House and Brooklyn Bethel (following a specific route) had scriptural significance. I'll bet not a Dub alive today can tell you how many furlongs were involved, what the route was, or what they "proved."
Well done, everybody!
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Please Help! Wife want PROOF of Watchtower Deception
by Indian Larry inplease post any examples of clear cut watchtower deception.
my wife does not believe that the watchtower would purposely decieve her.
i need clearcut examples of deception of by the wtbts.
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Nathan Natas
...oh, one more thought.
Lots of JWs hold that members of the governing body are imperfect men who are infallable in matters of doctrine. That's a fun topic. They will tell you that this is true for the WTB&TS and untrue for the Roman Catholic Church. Mix that with the theory of "new light" and you have a real wrasslin' match on your hands.